Yeah and I'm sure you will be getting that Return to Jehovah brochure. Ugh.
Doubting Bro
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RC musings - my impressions
by Doubting Bro inso i went to the rc this past weekend and have a few observations:.
1 - use of videos - most parts had some sort of video prop.
they ranged from awkward (an example was on friday where they showed scenes of nature without a real purpose other than god made this) to very well done.
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RC musings - my impressions
by Doubting Bro inso i went to the rc this past weekend and have a few observations:.
1 - use of videos - most parts had some sort of video prop.
they ranged from awkward (an example was on friday where they showed scenes of nature without a real purpose other than god made this) to very well done.
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Londo - no I didn't see your parents nor anyone from their congregation. They must be assigned to a later one. -
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RC musings - my impressions
by Doubting Bro inso i went to the rc this past weekend and have a few observations:.
1 - use of videos - most parts had some sort of video prop.
they ranged from awkward (an example was on friday where they showed scenes of nature without a real purpose other than god made this) to very well done.
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I believe it was on Sat morning for the ice cream video -
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RC musings - my impressions
by Doubting Bro inso i went to the rc this past weekend and have a few observations:.
1 - use of videos - most parts had some sort of video prop.
they ranged from awkward (an example was on friday where they showed scenes of nature without a real purpose other than god made this) to very well done.
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Oubliette - Yeah, I guess I forgot fear and false hope. LOL - all that stuff has less and less of an effect the more they use it. -
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RC musings - my impressions
by Doubting Bro inso i went to the rc this past weekend and have a few observations:.
1 - use of videos - most parts had some sort of video prop.
they ranged from awkward (an example was on friday where they showed scenes of nature without a real purpose other than god made this) to very well done.
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Yeah, the video screens blocked out a big chunk of seats. So I think they added an extra weekend and will have smaller crowds. They pay so little for the venue, it doesn't even matter.
Oh, by the way, parking really sucks this year. They are doing construction in the area and some streets around the venue are closed. At least no one was working Friday and I didn't burn a vacation day.
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RC musings - my impressions
by Doubting Bro inso i went to the rc this past weekend and have a few observations:.
1 - use of videos - most parts had some sort of video prop.
they ranged from awkward (an example was on friday where they showed scenes of nature without a real purpose other than god made this) to very well done.
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Doubting Bro
So I went to the RC this past weekend and have a few observations:
1 - Use of videos - Most parts had some sort of video prop. They ranged from awkward (an example was on Friday where they showed scenes of nature without a real purpose other than God made this) to very well done. Several of the videos were made to tug at people's heartstrings and the results were several people crying on a few. The low light was the Sophia video where she gives her ice cream money to the WTS. I was reading here at the time to stop myself from getting angry. Lots of demos using the video and they were much better than a live demo. The interviews I didn't think would be as compelling as those with local folks who people in the audience may know. But, that may be better since many times the back story of the person being interviewed isn't that positive.The drama was WAY better than the live action, exaggerated gesture dramas of old. Also, it was more interesting to see the speakers face than just listening.
2 - Jesus - they actually mentioned Jesus (the theme) more times this weekend than likely the last 2 years of meetings combined! LOL - I thought they were going to spontaneously combust. It's so crazy for a so called Christian religion to pay no attention to Jesus but they got it out of the way with this one. Of course, the whole RC was to promote their new Jesus book (see we do believe in Jesus look at this book).
3 - Slackers - Many shots squarely at the men in the audience who don't "reach out". The congregation I attend has TWICE as many ex-elders as current elders. This is not something that is unusual and clearly something the WTS has no clue how to address. The only weapon in their arsenal is guilt. Guess what boys, it doesn't work!
4 - Doubters - I think this is the first time I can recall so much talk about doubt. The drama tried to compare a disciple of Jesus to modern day JWs and basically tell them choke those doubts down. I'll tell you what GB. You perform a miracle and I'll start believing in you. Personally, I have NO doubts that JWs are NOT the "earthly portion of God's organization". Zero. Again, they can't wrap their minds around why someone would leave or fade so they figure it must be Satan. Instead of taking an honest look that their teachings and the atmosphere of the congregations, they essentially blame the individual that they aren't grateful enough.
4 - Attendance - Seemed smaller than normal. The high water mark was 5900. It was around 5400 for Friday morning session. 22 baptized with the majority looking under 18. One little girl was certainly under 10.
5 - Lett is insane. Seriously what is wrong with that dude and why do they continue to trot him out? He did the sound drama which was basically a bible reading with some commentary. Ok fine but his crazy expressions are actually distracting. The looks on peoples faces when he started speaking were so funny. They wanted to make fun of him but felt like a lightening bolt would strike them dead so you could see the internal struggle to try to pretend to take him seriously.
All in all, a waste of 3 days but at least I kept my wife happy and saw a few folks I haven't seen in a while. At least I didn't have to listen to TM3 again like last year.
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Candace Conti Settles
by Nitty-Gritty inhot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.
but it's all quiet here.
are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?
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One other thing that is important to note about religious groups especially fundamentalist groups like JWs. The teachings in those groups tend to reinforce the "us against the world" notion which galvanizes the group. For example, see the latest WT article on the "spiritual paradise". This notion which good to help promote group loyalty, also tends to suspend the natural suspicion that people have with individuals they don't know very well.
As a born-in, I don't suffer from the rose colored glasses effect ie trusting people just because they are JWs. But lots of converts do.
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Candace Conti Settles
by Nitty-Gritty inhot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.
but it's all quiet here.
are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?
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Doubting Bro
Fisherman - It is a matter of fact that the Court did not order the WTS to change their policy in their ruling. In fact the Court thought so much of the WTS existing policy that they required the WTS to comply with their existing policy.
The Court found the WTS and agents liable for failing to protect Conti during Church sponsored activities. The Court also ruled that although the Conti molestations did not occur in FS, they occured while she was supposed to be in FS and held the WTS liable.
Although the lawsuit did not directly force WTS to change its policies in dealing with child molesters, you bet your booty that it forced WT to be more careful and to cover vulnerabilities to prevent future lawsuits. You betcha WT is going to deploy new policies to protect them from future suits. But the Court did not force the WT to change any policy.I agree with what you are saying but while the Court didn't force the WT to specifically change their policy, if they don't want to get hit again then they will need to do something different. So I think the net effect of the lawsuit is going to be a policy change. So it really semantics.
I guess I look at all the cases against organizations whether religious (Catholic, JW, whatever) or secular (Boy Scouts) and believe that using the civil justice system to force organizations which are entrusted with a special relationship to take it seriously is really the only way you can force them to do anything. Organizations will always protect the status quo. I do find it a bit ironic that when the Catholic church as making headlines on this subject, many JWs (including myself) I know were talking with glee on how they were being made to pay big judgments and getting what they deserved. But know, it's against the WT, a much different tune is being sung.
I agree with you, lots of people let Candace and others in her position down. What I hope is that one day, pedophiles won't be able to use religious or community organizations like Boy Scouts, Little League, etc to prey on victims. These organizations have made progress in helping to protect those in their midst. The state laws requiring mandatory reporting and background checks (depending on what you are doing - for example, I had to go through a background check to coach a kids baseball team) have helped and quite frankly, being held accountable from a financial point of view has also helped.
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Candace Conti Settles
by Nitty-Gritty inhot topic on topix seems to be candace conti settlement.
but it's all quiet here.
are you guys aware that your hero, who was not in it for the money but to change policies, settled without changing anything?
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Doubting Bro
@nitty-gritty -@ Doubting Bro, it was Conti's turn to appeal and it was Conti who settled.
Wrong - read who the pleading again. The petitioner was the WTS. They filed the appeal. Not sure if you are familiar with US law but either party could have appealed the lower court decision since both lost in various ways. However, it was the WTS that petitioned the CA Supreme Court. The procedure is not based on "turns". Are you 12 or something???
If you can't grasp the very simple concept that the WTS appealed to the CA Supreme Court then I'm not sure anyone would listen to any other argument you would make. Why is it so important to you to think Conti appealed and why would you make up that she initiated the appeal? It was in the WTS best interest to appeal and I"m really surprised they didn't move forward. Clearly there was legal advice from outside counsel that settling the matter was the best move.